in-re-deletevictim

Mayflower District Court

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In re Deletevictim

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Case Number

CV-283-25

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Kezzera 2025-06-26 09:52 p.m.

@rummy

Kezzera 2025-06-26 09:52 p.m.

seems the department of justice is available to respond

Kezzera 2025-06-26 09:53 p.m.

file documents on the website

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

@rummy

rummy 2025-06-26 09:58 p.m.

Filed, along with courtesy copy

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

@rummy

rummy 2025-06-26 10:05 p.m.

Believe you can add @dero and @actxrz , was informed they’re primary’s for this

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:05 p.m.

ill just add out of convenience but they'll need to formally appear

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Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:06 p.m.

so you're seeking a pre-suit preservation order? @rummy

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:06 p.m.

you're going to need to guide as to how that'll work procedurally

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:07 p.m.

ill need legal tests and everything

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:07 p.m.

not a tro but it's something

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Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:08 p.m.

he was added to the case entry ahead of time

rummy 2025-06-26 10:09 p.m.

Apologies if this was a little messy on filing as this differs greatly state to state, and then federal which is why we started with motion to preserve and then TRO

rummy 2025-06-26 10:09 p.m.

Hopefully we can also establish some law here as I don’t think something like this has been done pre suit in Mayflower

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:10 p.m.

i don't recall us having a specific process for this

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:10 p.m.

we absolutely need a hearing because what you have provided barely amounts to anything i can consider on its face

rummy 2025-06-26 10:11 p.m.

Of course your honor, would request over discord as moving to mobile soon

rummy 2025-06-26 10:12 p.m.

Also will be unavailable in an hour in case I don’t respond

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

we absolutely need a hearing because what you have provided barely amounts to anything i can consider on its face

rummy 2025-06-26 10:12 p.m.

May I start?

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:12 p.m.

when do you need this by

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:12 p.m.

first of all

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:12 p.m.

because im aware the solicitor general is looking at this too

rummy 2025-06-26 10:14 p.m.

Well your honor, we’re talking about possible spoiled evidence, and the SG informed me he isn’t contesting, so urgency is quite paramount

rummy 2025-06-26 10:14 p.m.

As referenced in the first part of exhibit B, we have reason to believe evidence may have potentially been destroyed after serving a litigation hold to a DOJ employee and immediately receiving the response too late

rummy 2025-06-26 10:15 p.m.

We normally of course wouldn’t have pursued this course of action, since normally we expect the Department to respect such holds

rummy

Well your honor, we’re talking about possible spoiled evidence, and the SG informed me he isn’t contesting, so urgency is quite paramount

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:15 p.m.

he isn't contesting? when did he say that?

rummy

We normally of course wouldn’t have pursued this course of action, since normally we expect the Department to respect such holds

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:15 p.m.

right

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

he isn't contesting? when did he say that?

rummy 2025-06-26 10:16 p.m.

I rather let @actxrz speak to himself, if that’s alright

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:17 p.m.

@actxrz

i'm waving your NOA paperwork

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:17 p.m.

out of urgency

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:17 p.m.

what's going on

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:17 p.m.

wait i have to pee one sec

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:17 p.m.

i need enough information on your end to make sure a hearing is necessary or whatever i need to do at this stage

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:17 p.m.

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:25 p.m.

we do not object to the entry of a preservation order. provided that it is carefully circumcised to materials reasonably anticipated to be relevant to future litigation and doesnt impose undue burden on the doj. we acknowledge the litigation hold attached as exhibit A to the motion and can confirm the solicitor general's office has taken every cationary measure to ensure the preservation of our group chat, directives, and records.

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:26 p.m.

this statement does NOT constitute agreement with the factual assertions in the motion. all rights and defenses are expressly reserved

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.

we defer to the court's discretion on whether an evidentiary hearing is warranted to clarify standards for pre-suit preservation orders

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.

oh i said circumcised

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.

i meant circumscribed

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.

LMAO

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.

i was going to ask

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.

yeah

rummy 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.

We don’t object to this however would ask something

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:28 p.m.

im dead

rummy 2025-06-26 10:28 p.m.

In that case we would ask for two separate orders, one for the department of justice employees in their official capacities, with no objections to Mr. @actxrz parameters

rummy 2025-06-26 10:28 p.m.

and one for mr. Rignify pending litigation in his individual capacity, and to reproduce or receipt the evidence he indicated he deleted when he said “too late”

rummy 2025-06-26 10:29 p.m.

would reference exhibit B

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:35 p.m.

@actxrz

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:35 p.m.

yes sorry my mom needed her little boy to help her with smth

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:35 p.m.

a good son

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:37 p.m.

as previously stated, we do not oppose a preservation order imited to materials held in official capacities of employees of the doj (including those under my office). we reaffirm that records and communications maintained by mr. ringifys have already been preserved in accordance with the litigation hold letter

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:40 p.m.

i mean we can just sort this out with a simple affidavit

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:41 p.m.

and that'll just technically resolve this

rummy 2025-06-26 10:41 p.m.

Still doesn’t resolve my concerns about Mr. Rignify’s your honor

actxrz

as previously stated, we do not oppose a preservation order imited to materials held in official capacities of employees of the doj (including those under my office). we reaffirm t...

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:41 p.m.

obviously if you sign to it and it turns out that none of this is true then the consequences are obvious

rummy

Still doesn’t resolve my concerns about Mr. Rignify’s your honor

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:42 p.m.

well

rummy 2025-06-26 10:43 p.m.

Your Honor I also want to point out Mr. Rignifys is not a legal layperson, he is a paralegal for the Department of Justice, I would just be confused if the court shrugged off “too late” to a litigation hold, when it’s clear towards what it indicates

rummy 2025-06-26 10:43 p.m.

He is a legal professional

rummy

and one for mr. Rignify pending litigation in his individual capacity, and to reproduce or receipt the evidence he indicated he deleted when he said “too late”

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:43 p.m.

to the extent movant seeks a second, individual-capacity order regarding mr. ringiftys, we take no formal position as of now. while this matter generally falls outside the scope of my office's institutional obligations, it may be addressed by mr. ringifys or through further proceedings at the court's discretion (including representation by my office as appropriate)

rummy

Your Honor I also want to point out Mr. Rignifys is not a legal layperson, he is a paralegal for the Department of Justice, I would just be confused if the court shrugged off “...

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:44 p.m.

again, everything he has access to has been preserved

rummy 2025-06-26 10:44 p.m.

I caution the court that the precedent being established here is important pertinent to respecting litigation holds, and what happens when indicating that you don’t plan complying with them

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:44 p.m.

i made sure of that

actxrz

again, everything he has access to has been preserved

rummy 2025-06-26 10:44 p.m.

Thank you Mr. SG

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:44 p.m.

i'll agree the response is unprofessional entirely but if the solicitor general can attest to it then i think that's fine - if its for material which the general cannot attest to, i can order that preserved

rummy

I caution the court that the precedent being established here is important pertinent to respecting litigation holds, and what happens when indicating that you don’t plan complying ...

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.

i don't think whatever i do right now would change that

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

i'll agree the response is unprofessional entirely but if the solicitor general can attest to it then i think that's fine - if its for material which the general cannot attest to, ...

rummy 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.

That would be ideal your honor, we await the copy of the affidavit then

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.

im not just letting it go am i

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.

i removed every1

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

i don't think whatever i do right now would change that

rummy 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.

Your honor may I have leave to introduce something?

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.

i would caution posting the material here - this is all open record unless this was your intention

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.

besides our ag and dep ag

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.

yea its ok

rummy 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.

What timezone is that? @actxrz

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.

eastern

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.

ok, just making sure

rummy

Your honor may I have leave to introduce something?

rummy 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.

rummy

Your honor may I have leave to introduce something?

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.

what is it?

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:46 p.m.

i opened it and realized it didnt remove ian for some reason

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:46 p.m.

was probably a glitch

rummy 2025-06-26 10:46 p.m.

This message is at GMT+9

rummy 2025-06-26 10:46 p.m.

Let me do some math one moment

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:46 p.m.

i told u in dms. i wasnt home

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:47 p.m.

i removed them as soon as i got home on my pc

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:47 p.m.

im the only one that could remove them bc i am the owner of that groupchat

rummy 2025-06-26 10:47 p.m.

I’m not impeaching your credibility

rummy 2025-06-26 10:47 p.m.

I’m making another point

rummy 2025-06-26 10:47 p.m.

One moment pls

rummy 2025-06-26 10:48 p.m.

Let the record reflect the movant makes no argument to impeach the SG’s credibility ^

rummy 2025-06-26 10:48 p.m.

If my math is right, and I encourage everyone to double check since I did this on a train

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:48 p.m.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242328252744208425/1386946631487983656/togif.gif

rummy 2025-06-26 10:48 p.m.

The removals happened, 1 hour 7 minutes indicated too late

rummy 2025-06-26 10:48 p.m.

Before Rignify’s indicated too late*

rummy 2025-06-26 10:49 p.m.

So arguably quite a bit falls outside of what the SG can attest to here

actxrz

to the extent movant seeks a second, individual-capacity order regarding mr. ringiftys, we take no formal position as of now. while this matter generally falls outside the scope of...

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:49 p.m.

^ pls see this.

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:49 p.m.

i agree with you, this would be better addressed by mr. ringifys

rummy 2025-06-26 10:49 p.m.

I’m talking to the court about how to proceed in the second matter , not against your arguments

actxrz

i agree with you, this would be better addressed by mr. ringifys

rummy 2025-06-26 10:50 p.m.

Agreed

rummy 2025-06-26 10:50 p.m.

Although would reiterate the importance of getting this order out given the circumstances

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:51 p.m.

i would require ringifys or his attorney to be present

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:51 p.m.

for material which is not covered by the scope of the doj material

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:51 p.m.

they'll need to make representations before i proceed with them

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:52 p.m.

act and you agree (except to the facts alleged) on the LH

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:52 p.m.

so i consider that resolved

rummy 2025-06-26 10:52 p.m.

We will be getting that affidavit right?

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:52 p.m.

yes

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:53 p.m.

but that order i believe it would be fair to have ringifys appear since it affects him

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:53 p.m.

@actxrz

@rummy

is there any reason why i should not?

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:53 p.m.

why you should not have ringifys appear?

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:53 p.m.

yes

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:53 p.m.

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.

i see no reason why i shouldnt bother, i believe its absolutely necessary

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.

@rummy

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.

it is

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

@actxrz

@rummy is there any reason why i should not?

rummy 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.

I would say he’s entitled to challenge the TRO with counsel, however the balance of equities are heavily in my clients favor to having this processed ex parte

However if we want to add him right now, waive NoA, I have no objections

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.

i believe it's not even a tro

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.

it's something else

rummy 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.

Well if we’re back at the original motion to preserve, yes I agree

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.

i refer to jurisdictions that have addressed similar issues before

rummy

Well if we’re back at the original motion to preserve, yes I agree

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:55 p.m.

probably a sufficient place to resolve the issue

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:55 p.m.

is the motion

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:55 p.m.

i was wrong about the tro, was confused at first what you asked for

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

probably a sufficient place to resolve the issue

rummy 2025-06-26 10:55 p.m.

Would the court waive his NoA, and add him?

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

i was wrong about the tro, was confused at first what you asked for

rummy 2025-06-26 10:56 p.m.

In all fairness to you this varies wildly by inter-state jurisdiction, and some of it established purely by caselaw, looked into it before filing ofc

rummy

In all fairness to you this varies wildly by inter-state jurisdiction, and some of it established purely by caselaw, looked into it before filing ofc

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:56 p.m.

im aware, ive experienced a bit of it before

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:56 p.m.

except for the underlying duty which im aware and familiar with

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:57 p.m.

but the litigating of it is just all over the place so

rummy

Would the court waive his NoA, and add him?

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:57 p.m.

i guess i can do that

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:57 p.m.

in the absence of a codified process

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:57 p.m.

for this thing

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:58 p.m.

@actxrz

do you object to this form of appearance for ringifys?

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:58 p.m.

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:58 p.m.

actually is he even an attorney

actxrz 2025-06-26 10:58 p.m.

ring? no he isnt

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:58 p.m.

well nevermind then

rummy 2025-06-26 10:59 p.m.

Wait

rummy 2025-06-26 10:59 p.m.

Hold up

rummy 2025-06-26 10:59 p.m.

Your honor

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:59 p.m.

he'll need to be ordered to appear here

rummy 2025-06-26 10:59 p.m.

May I have leave to introduce

Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:59 p.m.

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.

oh wai

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.

nvm

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.

i got it

rummy 2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.

Wait you may have answered it yourself

rummy 2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.

Yup

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clerkFlow Bot2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.

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has added @kait to the case channel.

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.

i completely forgot that he's directly involved

actxrz 2025-06-26 11:01 p.m.

yea idek why

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:01 p.m.

maybe we should do this it saves a lot of paper

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:01 p.m.

anyway

actxrz 2025-06-26 11:01 p.m.

he's not even the top dawg secretary

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:01 p.m.

@kait

we need to discuss this

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:02 p.m.

do you have an attorney

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:02 p.m.

have you read the papers yet

kait 2025-06-26 11:02 p.m.

I have not read the TRO yet.

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:02 p.m.

don't believe we'll need a tro

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:03 p.m.

what might be entered instead is a pre-suit preservation order

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:03 p.m.

it requires you to preserve etc. x,y,z

rummy 2025-06-26 11:03 p.m.

Your honor may I have quick leave to introduce two temporary things while you ask @kait your questions?

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:03 p.m.

you may need to produce the material if necessary

rummy

Your honor may I have quick leave to introduce two temporary things while you ask @kait your questions?

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:03 p.m.

okay

rummy 2025-06-26 11:04 p.m.

Department of Justice Manual in its entirety

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OWfjgZ4-LcY8sY6zs6FCU8UEh1__5Wl333553FFE_XU/edit?usp=sharing

Department of Justice Roster in its entirety

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iCeUYn3J5-3T1lJbdcXdSQn3k4ZcXkxvWy1_Ms0oyZ8/htmlview#

Mayflower Justice Manual

MANUALFOR THEADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE STATE OF MAYFLOWER Title 1 - Organization and Personnel Title 2 - Delegations of Authority Title 3 - Standards of Conduct Title 4 - Inspector General Title 5 - Criminal Title 6 - Civil Title 7 - Appellate Title 8 - Case Management Title 9 - Med...

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rummy 2025-06-26 11:04 p.m.

That’s all from me for now till your down with Mr. ring

kait

I have not read the TRO yet.

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:05 p.m.

i would ask you to seek legal advice and representation

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:05 p.m.

unless you're fully aware of what the petitioner is asking for and if you agree that what they're requesting is okay

rummy

Department of Justice Manual in its entirety https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OWfjgZ4-LcY8sY6zs6FCU8UEh1__5Wl333553FFE_XU/edit?usp=sharing Department of Justice Roster in its ...

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:05 p.m.

why are you giving me this?

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

why are you giving me this?

rummy 2025-06-26 11:06 p.m.

To later establish Me. Ringifys employment and the policies he had to read during on boarding as a paralegal, establish his legal competency

kait 2025-06-26 11:06 p.m.

If this is just determining whether or not I've disobeyed the litigation hold in any way, then I'm fine with appearing on my own behalf.

rummy 2025-06-26 11:06 p.m.

Avoid a “I’m a layperson I don’t know what a litigation hold or how to respond to one” argument layer

rummy 2025-06-26 11:06 p.m.

Later *

kait

If this is just determining whether or not I've disobeyed the litigation hold in any way, then I'm fine with appearing on my own behalf.

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:07 p.m.

@rummy

if i understand this is why you brought this yes

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

@rummy if i understand this is why you brought this yes

rummy 2025-06-26 11:07 p.m.

Yes

kait

If this is just determining whether or not I've disobeyed the litigation hold in any way, then I'm fine with appearing on my own behalf.

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:07 p.m.

in that case, fine

rummy 2025-06-26 11:07 p.m.

Wait

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:07 p.m.

rummy 2025-06-26 11:08 p.m.

I’m not a butthole and do believe in fair representation

rummy 2025-06-26 11:08 p.m.

I will disclose to Mr. Ring, that what he says here may be used in separate pending litigation against him in the future

rummy 2025-06-26 11:09 p.m.

all from me for now

rummy 2025-06-26 11:09 p.m.

(also don’t want an inadmissibility argument from his future attorney’s

)

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:10 p.m.

when are you both available for a hearing

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:10 p.m.

@rummy

@kait

this would be for tomorrow at the earliest opportunity

rummy 2025-06-26 11:10 p.m.

What timezone are both of you?

kait 2025-06-26 11:10 p.m.

Where would this take place

kait 2025-06-26 11:10 p.m.

EST

rummy 2025-06-26 11:10 p.m.

Over discord pls

rummy

What timezone are both of you?

rummy 2025-06-26 11:12 p.m.

^ @Kezzera

rummy 2025-06-26 11:12 p.m.

Also would request affidavit or first part of this matter gets handled today

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:13 p.m.

rummy

Also would request affidavit or first part of this matter gets handled today

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:13 p.m.

im on it now

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.

@rummy

when was your litigation letter sent?

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.

6/25?

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.

start dating your letters

rummy 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.

6:00 PM PST?

rummy 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.

Should work for everyone

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

6/25?

rummy 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.

Yes PST ^

rummy

6:00 PM PST?

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

start dating your letters

rummy 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.

Understood

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.

if you dont date your letters courts will kill you

rummy

6:00 PM PST?

kait 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:15 p.m.

it's also one of the first basic things you would learn out of any profession

kait

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:15 p.m.

we'll schedule for 6pm then

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

it's also one of the first basic things you would learn out of any profession

rummy 2025-06-26 11:16 p.m.

Apologies to the court for this your honor, I wrote this quite late in my time, however no excuse exists

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clerkFlow Bot2025-06-26 11:30 p.m.

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@Kezzera

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Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:30 p.m.

waiving the paperwork

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:31 p.m.

i'm aware this is also counsel for petitioner

Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:31 p.m.

@robert

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:03 a.m.

@Kezzera

i cant talk there

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:04 a.m.

READ

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:04 a.m.

READ

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:04 a.m.

READ

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:04 a.m.

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:05 a.m.

oh sorry

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:06 a.m.

signed(edited)

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.

okay

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.

I sign this affidavit and enter it into the record satisfied that the content of this affidavit is all true and sworn to before me.

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.

wait

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.

ooh...

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.

so close

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.

it pertains only to my office right

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.

is it not the DOJ?

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.

is it?

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.

ima be so real

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.

let me check

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.

swear it is

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.

i didnt rlly read the letter he sent me

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.

that sounds very bad

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:09 a.m.

it was js yap man i js saw "preserve so and so" and did just that

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:09 a.m.

the letter is over material in basically all of the DOJ

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:09 a.m.

this includes your office

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:09 a.m.

wouldnt it be more appropriate for the ag to sign it then?

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:09 a.m.

were you only speaking for your office

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:09 a.m.

yes

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.

oh im a fucking knob

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.

i've preserved our trello board and our groupchat

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.

bc thats all i can preserve

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.

you're not authorized to speak on behalf of the DOJ in this matter then?

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.

right

Kezzera used

/add

clerkFlow Bot2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.

Case Modified

@Kezzera

has added @dero to the case channel.

rummy 2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.

Believe AG was already added ear-

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.

yes

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.

no, he wasnt added

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.

in that case i have to amend the affidavit

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.

ya so i can only affirm to preserving sgo stuff

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.

derogatory can speak to the sgo material himself yes?

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.

yea

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.

okay

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.

he will need to sign then or you need to be authorized to speak on this

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.

(i.e. you will need access to the material)

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.

or get someone who can do it on his behalf

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.

otherwise i won't proceed with this

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.

i dont have that authorization so ig we'll have to wiat till either tmr (today eastern, its 12am) or at some ungodly hour of the night

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.

he loves responding to stuff at like 4am

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.

works with me

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.

3 am...

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:13 a.m.

sorry i should've been more clear at the start

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:13 a.m.

@rummy

it's either this or we go to a hearing which we will not have time for today

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:13 a.m.

affidavit sm easier

actxrz

sorry i should've been more clear at the start

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:14 a.m.

in light of this happening we'll probably need to put up some temporary process

actxrz 2025-06-27 12:14 a.m.

ya i agree

Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:14 a.m.

ive been compiling a list of events giving rise to new processes

rummy 2025-06-27 12:31 a.m.

I understand the time zone difference given the demonstrably good faith efforts by @actxrz

rummy 2025-06-27 12:32 a.m.

As such I would only request @dero respond with a confirmation for the rest early tomorrow in the day or late morning

rummy 2025-06-27 01:43 a.m.

Let the record reflect that the Movant in this matter @sfyrixtoulis has become a retaliatory target of the Department of Justice.

In my clients ability to seek justice against an individual who aggrieved him, the Department of Justice has retaliated by threatening him with the capital punishment.

They are literally trying to kill my client, to silence him.

CC: @actxrz

@Kezzera

rummy 2025-06-27 01:44 a.m.

While this will be addressed in an appropriate proceeding outside of here, I think it’s important to make the court aware of the gravity.

actxrz 2025-06-27 01:44 a.m.

oops

rummy 2025-06-27 01:44 a.m.

Why did you delete @actxrz

actxrz 2025-06-27 01:44 a.m.

i wrote that earlier by accident

actxrz 2025-06-27 01:44 a.m.

on my phone

rummy 2025-06-27 01:44 a.m.

Fair enough

rummy

Let the record reflect that the Movant in this matter @sfyrixtoulis has become a retaliatory target of the Department of Justice. In my clients ability to seek justice ag...

actxrz 2025-06-27 01:45 a.m.

im trying to sort it out omfg

actxrz 2025-06-27 01:45 a.m.

actxrz

im trying to sort it out omfg

rummy 2025-06-27 01:45 a.m.

It’s the guys “life” on the line you gotta understand why would we take it seriously

rummy

Let the record reflect that the Movant in this matter @sfyrixtoulis has become a retaliatory target of the Department of Justice. In my clients ability to seek justice ag...

actxrz 2025-06-27 02:43 a.m.

I've contacted Dero on this matter via DMs(edited)

actxrz 2025-06-27 02:44 a.m.

he's probably asleep right so we'll see how he responds to this situation in the morning

actxrz 2025-06-27 02:44 a.m.

can't comment on this atm bc im just the sg

rummy

Let the record reflect that the Movant in this matter @sfyrixtoulis has become a retaliatory target of the Department of Justice. In my clients ability to seek justice ag...

kait 2025-06-27 03:35 a.m.

Interesting

dero 2025-06-27 05:01 a.m.

@rummy

Is your client still facing his charges

dero

@rummy Is your client still facing his charges

rummy 2025-06-27 05:03 a.m.

My client is currently facing charges in the matter of https://discord.com/channels/1274202187911790632/1386306712528490526

dero 2025-06-27 06:03 a.m.

Gotcha. ill appear and move for the court to dismiss

dero 2025-06-27 06:03 a.m.

Soon

robert 2025-06-27 10:43 a.m.

for the record, we’d still like to formally address Mr. Ringify's individual role separately given the specific concerns outlined in Exhibit B, particularly considering the timing and his response after the litigation hold went out.

Kezzera 2025-06-27 02:06 p.m.

Check tagged thread @dero

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

Check tagged thread @dero

dero 2025-06-27 03:00 p.m.

Yes I cant talk in there

Kezzera 2025-06-27 03:27 p.m.

Respond here then

Kezzera 2025-06-27 03:28 p.m.

(It doesn't make a difference either way now)

Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:14 p.m.

@rummy

@kait

are we happy to proceed today

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

@rummy

@kait are we happy to proceed today

kait 2025-06-27 09:15 p.m.

Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:21 p.m.

@rummy

Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:43 p.m.

okay then...

Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:43 p.m.

we're just rescheduling

Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:57 p.m.

@kait

@rummy

Tomorrow, same time for hearing

Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:57 p.m.

@rummy

if you fail to attend i will not consider this anymore and only proceed with the affidavit (if relevant)

Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:58 p.m.

i don't have much of an interest in sanctioning over this

rummy 2025-06-27 10:29 p.m.

Apologies I had an emergency this morning

rummy 2025-06-27 10:29 p.m.

@Kezzera

Kezzera 2025-06-27 10:44 p.m.

its ok, we're booked for tomorrow

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

its ok, we're booked for tomorrow

kait 2025-06-27 10:45 p.m.

Can't attend tomorrow.

robert 2025-06-27 10:45 p.m.

What time tomorrow?

kait

Can't attend tomorrow.

Kezzera 2025-06-27 10:46 p.m.

when then?

robert

What time tomorrow?

Kezzera 2025-06-27 10:46 p.m.

6pm pt

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

when then?

kait 2025-06-27 10:49 p.m.

Actually, I can probably attend, had to think about it for a second. I'm good for that time.

Kezzera 2025-06-27 10:49 p.m.

okay, 6pm pt then gentlemen

Kezzera 2025-06-28 12:31 p.m.

@dero

Are you going to sign the affidavit or no

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

@dero Are you going to sign the affidavit or no

dero 2025-06-28 12:36 p.m.

I cant tlak

dero 2025-06-28 12:36 p.m.

in the channel

Kezzera 2025-06-28 12:38 p.m.

you can say it here

Kezzera 2025-06-28 12:38 p.m.

why does no one read

rummy 2025-06-28 01:00 p.m.

@Kezzera

, @robert has informed me he will be attending this.

rummy 2025-06-28 01:01 p.m.

As I have things in the morning that have come up, he's retained by @sfyrixtoulis

robert 2025-06-28 01:28 p.m.

@Kezzera

Your Honor, may we move it one (1) hour later ?

robert 2025-06-28 01:38 p.m.

And is this discord or in game?

robert 2025-06-28 01:39 p.m.

Apologies if this has been referred already

actxrz 2025-06-28 02:44 p.m.

why is robert here

actxrz 2025-06-28 02:44 p.m.

(edited)

actxrz 2025-06-28 02:44 p.m.

oh hes ring's counsel

actxrz 2025-06-28 02:44 p.m.

actxrz

oh hes ring's counsel

kait 2025-06-28 02:45 p.m.

no he isn't

actxrz 2025-06-28 02:46 p.m.

why is he here then

kait 2025-06-28 02:46 p.m.

IDK

kait 2025-06-28 02:46 p.m.

rummys co-counsel methinks @actxrz

actxrz 2025-06-28 02:46 p.m.

boring

Kezzera 2025-06-28 03:09 p.m.

co-counsel

robert

@Kezzera Your Honor, may we move it one (1) hour later ?

Kezzera 2025-06-28 03:10 p.m.

@kait

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

@kait

kait 2025-06-28 03:17 p.m.

I can make that

actxrz

boring

robert 2025-06-28 10:02 p.m.

?????????

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:03 p.m.

@robert

@kait

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:03 p.m.

hey gang

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:04 p.m.

@dero

Hello are you going to sign

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

@robert

@kait

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:04 p.m.

hearing

robert 2025-06-28 10:06 p.m.

Present, Your Honor

kait 2025-06-28 10:07 p.m.

Hello

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:07 p.m.

@kait

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:07 p.m.

okay

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:08 p.m.

We'll hear arguments for the pre-suit preservation order

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:08 p.m.

Mr. @robert

robert 2025-06-28 10:09 p.m.

Thank you, Your Honor.

robert 2025-06-28 10:10 p.m.

As outlined in our filed motion, we’re seeking a narrowly tailored pre-suit preservation order due to the credible and immediate risk of evidence spoliation.

robert 2025-06-28 10:12 p.m.

This request has two parts;

First, for the DOJ and its employees in their official capacities, where the SGO has already indicated no objection to a carefully limited preservation order, subject to the affidavit they are preparing.

Second, and more urgently, for Mr. @kait in his individual capacity, given his documented “too late” response following service of the litigation hold.

The risk of evidence loss here is concrete, and we’re not seeking discovery only preservation to prevent irreparable harm before formal litigation begins.

robert 2025-06-28 10:13 p.m.

but in short, this is about maintaining the integrity of the anticipated litigation process.

rummy 2025-06-28 10:17 p.m.

To clarify, we are also seeking @kait to provide a receipt of any destroyed or potentially destroyed evidence in his part

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:20 p.m.

As to the DOJ, I am waiting for them to sign it

robert

?????????

actxrz 2025-06-28 10:20 p.m.

sorry i like going against rummy hes fun and plays fair

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:21 p.m.

The Attorney General has not agreed to sign anything as of yet

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:21 p.m.

and if he doesn't soon I will put it to a hearing

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:21 p.m.

So you should speak as to Ringifys for now

robert 2025-06-28 10:27 p.m.

The movant's position is that an individual capacity preservation order is warranted.

The litigation hold was issued on June 25th, and shortly afterward Mr. Ringify, a DOJ paralegal, responded with the statement “too late,” raising serious concerns that relevant evidence under his personal control may have been deleted.

Given his professional background, Mr. Ringify is not a legal layperson he’s aware of the significance of litigation holds.

We’re not seeking discovery only narrowly tailored preservation relief to ensure no further loss occurs and that any deleted material is addressed and, if possible, recovered.

I’m prepared to address the legal standard for issuing such individual capacity preservation orders, if the court wishes.

robert 2025-06-28 10:27 p.m.

Apologies, for the long response.

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:30 p.m.

What was it again you think Ringifys may have destroyed or fail to preserve for that matter?

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:30 p.m.

The particular things

rummy 2025-06-28 10:33 p.m.

Ringify may have destroyed images or failed to preserve materials that may have:

- Showed him or an associate violating policies of their employer, a public entity, at the detriment of the Movant.

- Showed him or an associate having material evidence in having used his influence of office for personally motivated means against the movant.

rummy 2025-06-28 10:33 p.m.

I’ll let Robert finish the rest, sorry pitching in through mobile

robert 2025-06-28 10:34 p.m.

Based on the timing and the context of Mr. Ringify's “too late” response, as well as the sequence of member removals from the discord server, we’re primarily concerned about the following;

- Chat logs, messages, or any other form from the Solicitor General’s Office discord group prior to the litigation hold and during the immediate hours afterward.
- Any direct messages or communications Mr. Ringify may have sent or received regarding this matter, especially regarding deletion of content.
- Any deletion logs or records showing user removals or chat deletions during the relevant timeframe.

robert 2025-06-28 10:35 p.m.

These concerns are focused on the time window between when the litigation hold was issued and when Mr. Ringify posted his “too late” message, as captured in Exhibit B.

At this stage, we are simply highlighting that there’s a factual basis to justify a narrowly tailored preservation order directed at Mr. Ringify's individual control over these materials.

robert

Based on the timing and the context of Mr. Ringify's “too late” response, as well as the sequence of member removals from the discord server, we’re primarily concerned about the fo...

robert 2025-06-28 10:36 p.m.

Adding onto this also, official and private channels he may have discussed the matter on or with.

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:37 p.m.

Alright

Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:37 p.m.

Mr. @kait ?

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

Mr. @kait ?

kait 2025-06-28 11:02 p.m.

Thank you, Your Honor.

Firstly, In response to Mr. Sabbatini's assertions, I am not a paralegal and do not hold any formal legal certification or employment; therefore, I cannot be held to the same standard they suggest.

Secondly, the “too late” comment was made sarcastically and just two minutes after I was served with the litigation hold- far too soon for me to have read the letter fully, let alone deleted any evidence.

I understand that I need to take preservation seriously, and I have - but I am not someone with legal training or credentials. I’m doing my best in good faith, and I’ve preserved everything since the hold was issued. I understand now that "too late" in hindsight was extremely unprofessional and clearly has lead Mr. Sabbatini to believe that important information regarding future litigation may have been deleted, but I want to make it clear that I have done nothing of the sorts and if anything have been fully cooperative with what was communicated to me in the letter that I was given.

kait 2025-06-28 11:08 p.m.

Also, to clarify on my position in the DoJ, I am a secretary and I have been one since I was hired. At no point in time ever was I a paralegal.

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:11 p.m.

So if the material were required to be produced at any point, this would be possible?

kait 2025-06-28 11:15 p.m.

Yes. I would have to regain access to materials in the Solicitor General's Office groupchat to produce them as everyone's access except the Solicitor General himself was revoked to ensure materials were preserved, but otherwise yes.

kait 2025-06-28 11:15 p.m.

Upon being given access I would be able to produce them is what I'm saying. Nothing was deleted.

robert 2025-06-28 11:15 p.m.

Your Honor, if I may?

rummy

Department of Justice Manual in its entirety https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OWfjgZ4-LcY8sY6zs6FCU8UEh1__5Wl333553FFE_XU/edit?usp=sharing Department of Justice Roster in its ...

rummy 2025-06-28 11:16 p.m.

rummy 2025-06-28 11:17 p.m.

Impeaching “I am not a paralegal”

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

why are you giving me this?

rummy 2025-06-28 11:17 p.m.

robert 2025-06-28 11:18 p.m.

This is important only insofar as it reflects that Mr. Ringify has at least some familiarity with legal processes and the significance of litigation holds.

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:20 p.m.

You swear you're not a paralegal Ringifys?

kait 2025-06-28 11:20 p.m.

Since the DoJ databse has been brought up, I thought it'd be good to also include the fact that it is mistakenly incorrect with the position assigned to me. It labels me as a paralegal, an error that I have made my command aware of so it should be fixed no sooner than tomorrow afternoon.

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

You swear you're not a paralegal Ringifys?

kait 2025-06-28 11:20 p.m.

Yes.

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:21 p.m.

You understand that everything you are stating here are all representative as truthful facts?

rummy 2025-06-28 11:21 p.m.

Your honor in that case someone is lying here, the DOJ or Mr. Rignify

robert 2025-06-28 11:21 p.m.

For the record, we respectfully note Mr. Ringify's sworn denial of holding a paralegal position, despite the DOJ roster currently reflecting otherwise.

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

You understand that everything you are stating here are all representative as truthful facts?

kait 2025-06-28 11:21 p.m.

Yes.

robert

For the record, we respectfully note Mr. Ringify's sworn denial of holding a paralegal position, despite the DOJ roster currently reflecting otherwise.

kait 2025-06-28 11:21 p.m.

Again, that is an error and I am able to get sworn statements backing my statement that I have never been a paralegal within the DoJ.

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.

I'm ending this hearing and ordering show cause

rummy 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.

Your homoe

rummy 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.

Honor*

rummy 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.

Before you end

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.

I'm granting the order

rummy 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.

Could I have to leave to introduce something to the record

rummy 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.

May be relevant later on

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

I'm granting the order

rummy 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.

Thank you

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.

If it's unrelated to this issue then don't

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:23 p.m.

If it's related to Ringifys's credentials, that is for later

rummy 2025-06-28 11:23 p.m.

Understood

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:23 p.m.

The pre-suit preservation order is granted. Submit a proposed text of the order @rummy

@robert

robert 2025-06-28 11:24 p.m.

Thank you, Your Honor. We will have this to you shortly.

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:25 p.m.

I am going to enter an order to show cause as to why I should not make a referral for perjury or make finding of contempt based on the following: Ringifys's true employment in the Department of Justice

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:26 p.m.

In response to this, I will require:
- a dated, PDF copy of the employment agreement between him and the person responsible for his employment in the DOJ; and
- a sworn affidavit by the employer that he is not a paralegal but a secretary as Ringifys claims

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:26 p.m.

I will not accept a sworn affidavit only as that will not be enough

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:27 p.m.

I attach great weight into this representation since he may have just knowingly made a false representation in Court about a relevant matter in dispute

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:28 p.m.

His duty as to preserving material for future litigation is noted

Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:31 p.m.

I sincerely suggest you retain counsel @kait

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:05 a.m.

can some1 give tldr of what happened @Kezzera

@robert

@rummy

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:06 a.m.

nvm i got it

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:07 a.m.

ring is being accused of lying abt being one of the secretaries for god knows what reason

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:07 a.m.

and ig we're pretending secretaries are have some sort administrative perms on the discord platform to magically make messages go away by himself in a groupchat

actxrz

and ig we're pretending secretaries are have some sort administrative perms on the discord platform to magically make messages go away by himself in a groupchat

rummy 2025-06-29 12:11 a.m.

That’s not the assertion here

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.

Chat logs, messages, or any other form from the Solicitor General’s Office discord group prior to the litigation hold and during the immediate hours afterward

Any deletion logs or records showing user removals or chat deletions during the relevant timeframe.

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.

How 2 delete user removals

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.

pls tutorial

rummy 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.

No read again what the judge is ordering DOJ/Ring to respond to

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.

ok where is this perjury coming from

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.

rummy 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.

We made assertion that Ring is a paralegal

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.

he's a secretary

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.

i have 2

rummy 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.

Current exhibits represent he’s a paralegal

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.

dataxry and ringifys

rummy 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.

Including in the DOJ database

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.

ok then there was a clerical error

rummy 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.

And he’s been potentially referred as one which we will introduce to evidence later

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.

and a miscommunication with deverus

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.

bc i do not have access to the database

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:14 a.m.

doj rank structure was or wtv they are considered general staff. in my office they are referred to as secretaries

rummy

And he’s been potentially referred as one which we will introduce to evidence later

rummy 2025-06-29 12:14 a.m.

By DOJ staff and potentially himself

rummy 2025-06-29 12:14 a.m.

However we’ll introduce that after the governments response and submissions as court instructed

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:15 a.m.

ok again, if he was referred to as a paralegal by someone outside of my office then there was a miscommunication.

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:16 a.m.

deverus joined the sgo groupchat when he became the DAG. ringifys had been hired as a secretary before deverus became the DAG

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:16 a.m.

since i didnt have access to the database, deverus entered their names onto the database by himself with me having to ask

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:16 a.m.

as that is his duty

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:16 a.m.

had he asked me or had i asked him i would have clarified that data and ring are secretaries

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:16 a.m.

our only paralegal was bluahmed

rummy 2025-06-29 12:17 a.m.

I mean DOJ uses on boarding forms last I checked

rummy 2025-06-29 12:17 a.m.

So I’m sure that will help us get to the bottom of this

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:17 a.m.

um ok

kait 2025-06-29 12:17 a.m.

Interesting

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:23 a.m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BJPV0Gf2uk

Precision Injury Law

What is a vexatious litigant?

https://precisioninjurylaw.com/ | 702-425-8880
This video talks about what is a vexatious litigant and what happens if the court determines a person is a vexatious litigant.

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:23 a.m.

Oh shoot sorry i didnt mean to send that here

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:24 a.m.

i wont delete bc thats against the rules

actxrz

How 2 delete user removals

robert 2025-06-29 12:29 a.m.

"Any deletion logs or records showing user removals or chat deletions during the relevant timeframe."

actxrz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BJPV0Gf2uk

rummy 2025-06-29 12:29 a.m.

Wouldn’t want you to call the judges order to show cause on his own initiative vexatious considering he granted the order barehand.

rummy 2025-06-29 12:30 a.m.

The order in question Beforehand *

robert

"Any deletion logs or records showing user removals or chat deletions during the relevant timeframe."

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:31 a.m.

how would he delete groupchat logs of ppl being removed from the groupchat again

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:31 a.m.

im just a little confused

Kezzera 2025-06-29 12:32 a.m.

can this be discussed elsewhere

rummy

Wouldn’t want you to call the judges order to show cause on his own initiative vexatious considering he granted the order barehand.

actxrz 2025-06-29 12:32 a.m.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126333800901779496/1380836903036653588/attachment.gif

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:36 a.m.

order entered @kait
copy @actxrz

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:37 a.m.

(check the website)

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.

what

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.

the osc?

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.

yea

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.

can u make another channel for it

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.

is that ok

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.

i mean i guess but why

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.

idk js makes sense

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.

it's all contained in here and i only need something to show he's not a paralegal but a sec

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.

sure i guess

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.

alr ill do this tmr i really tired

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.

you got until tomorrow 11:59pm

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.

wait i got work tmr

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.

till 9 i think

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.

or 8

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.

uhhh

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.

if it was an error then i would expect it to be stated and readily backed up by the entering of some evidence, such as messages to the database manager or whoever is responsible for the employment record - i did not have that, only simple assertions. i will need something to show that this was an error - i hoped this wouldnt have happened

actxrz

uhhh

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.

if you need more time just ask

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.

do you need more time?

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:41 a.m.

yes your honor

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:41 a.m.

i'll make a note to automatically extend it if i do not see any submission by 11:00PM pacific time june 30

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

order entered @kait copy @actxrz

kait 2025-06-29 01:41 a.m.

Sorry wrong emoji

kait 2025-06-29 01:41 a.m.

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

i'll make a note to automatically extend it if i do not see any submission by 11:00PM pacific time june 30

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

thats 3 am

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

june 31st

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

type shit!

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

2 AM

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

NOT 3

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

there's no 31st

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

im smart i can do math

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

it would be july 1

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

can we

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

just

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

stop

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

pls

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

no, show cause

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

ill add you all accordingly

actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.

lets pretend i didnt say that

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:43 a.m.

Haha

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:44 a.m.

show-cause-ringifys-doj

kait

Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:44 a.m.

stop pmo

Kezzera 2025-06-29 05:50 p.m.

@dero

I will schedule a hearing if you do not sign the affidavit

Kezzera 2025-06-29 05:50 p.m.

You have 4 hours

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

@dero I will schedule a hearing if you do not sign the affidavit

dero 2025-06-29 06:44 p.m.

YOUR HONOR

dero 2025-06-29 06:44 p.m.

I said I couldnt talk in the channel like 2 times before this

dero 2025-06-29 06:44 p.m.

how am I meant to sign it

dero 2025-06-29 06:56 p.m.

@Kezzera

I sign this affidavit. This is my signature.

dero

@Kezzera I sign this affidavit. This is my signature.

Kezzera 2025-06-29 07:00 p.m.

thank you

AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ

i'll make a note to automatically extend it if i do not see any submission by 11:00PM pacific time june 30

Kezzera 2025-06-30 01:02 a.m.

@actxrz

@kait

11:59pm July 1 due date

robert 2025-06-30 03:24 a.m.

Upon review of the Movant’s Emergency Application for a Pre-Suit Preservation Order, the Court finds good cause to enter the following Order:

Preservation Obligation:

All individuals and entities served with the Movant’s litigation hold (Exhibit A to the Application), including but not limited to all current and former employees, agents, and representatives of the Mayflower Department of Justice, are hereby ordered to preserve all documents, data, and electronically stored information within their possession, custody, or control that may be relevant to the anticipated litigation described in the Movant’s Application.

Scope of Materials to be Preserved:

The materials subject to this preservation obligation include, but are not limited to:

a. All communications, chat logs, deletion records, administrative actions, and metadata from the Department of Justice’s internal and external communication platforms, including but not limited to:

The Criminal Justice Office,

The Public Integrity Office,

The Solicitor General’s Office, and

Any other DOJ divisions or sub-offices reasonably anticipated to possess relevant material.

b. Any direct messages, private communications, or administrative records created, sent, deleted, or received by Ringifys, in both his official and individual capacities, that relate to the subject matter of the litigation hold, including but not limited to:

Administrative actions affecting message content;

Receipt and/or recovery of any previously deleted or delayed items referenced in Ringifys communications following the issuance of the litigation hold.

No Destruction, Deletion, or Alteration:

All covered parties are prohibited from destroying, deleting, altering, or otherwise modifying any materials falling within the above scope until further order of this Court.

Affirmative Safeguards:

Covered parties must take affirmative steps to safeguard these materials from inadvertent deletion, including suspending any routine data deletion protocols, retention policies, or chat auto-purges affecting these materials.

SO ORDERED.

(edited)

robert 2025-06-30 03:24 a.m.

@Kezzera

Kezzera 2025-06-30 08:43 p.m.

@rummy

@robert

@kait

Order entered

Kezzera 2025-07-04 09:46 a.m.

ORDER: The Court found that Ringifys is a secretary, and that the database entry is a clerical error on the part of the Chief of Staff or responsible officer. IT IS ORDERED that Ringifys be discharged from further proceedings for contempt and other related sanctions, and that the Department of Justice amend Ringify's job title in the Department of Justice Database Employee Roster to his correct job title by no later than July 5, 2025..Signed by Chief Judge AlbertWellesley (aw25)

Kezzera 2025-07-04 09:46 a.m.

@kait

@dero

@actxrz

Kezzera 2025-07-07 03:28 a.m.

@Underprothonotary