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#in-re-deletevictim
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Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 09:52 p.m.
@rummy
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 09:52 p.m.
seems the department of justice is available to respond
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 09:53 p.m.
file documents on the website
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
@rummy
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 09:58 p.m.
Filed, along with courtesy copy
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
@rummy
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:05 p.m.
Believe you can add @dero and @actxrz , was informed they’re primary’s for this
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:05 p.m.
ill just add out of convenience but they'll need to formally appear
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Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:06 p.m.
so you're seeking a pre-suit preservation order? @rummy
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:06 p.m.
you're going to need to guide as to how that'll work procedurally
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:07 p.m.
ill need legal tests and everything
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:07 p.m.
not a tro but it's something
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Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:08 p.m.
he was added to the case entry ahead of time
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:09 p.m.
Apologies if this was a little messy on filing as this differs greatly state to state, and then federal which is why we started with motion to preserve and then TRO
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:09 p.m.
Hopefully we can also establish some law here as I don’t think something like this has been done pre suit in Mayflower
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:10 p.m.
i don't recall us having a specific process for this
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:10 p.m.
we absolutely need a hearing because what you have provided barely amounts to anything i can consider on its face
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:11 p.m.
Of course your honor, would request over discord as moving to mobile soon
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:12 p.m.
Also will be unavailable in an hour in case I don’t respond
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
we absolutely need a hearing because what you have provided barely amounts to anything i can consider on its face
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:12 p.m.
May I start?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:12 p.m.
when do you need this by
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:12 p.m.
first of all
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:12 p.m.
because im aware the solicitor general is looking at this too
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:14 p.m.
Well your honor, we’re talking about possible spoiled evidence, and the SG informed me he isn’t contesting, so urgency is quite paramount
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:14 p.m.
As referenced in the first part of exhibit B, we have reason to believe evidence may have potentially been destroyed after serving a litigation hold to a DOJ employee and immediately receiving the response too late
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:15 p.m.
We normally of course wouldn’t have pursued this course of action, since normally we expect the Department to respect such holds
rummyrummy
Well your honor, we’re talking about possible spoiled evidence, and the SG informed me he isn’t contesting, so urgency is quite paramount
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:15 p.m.
he isn't contesting? when did he say that?
rummyrummy
We normally of course wouldn’t have pursued this course of action, since normally we expect the Department to respect such holds
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:15 p.m.
right
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
he isn't contesting? when did he say that?
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:16 p.m.
I rather let @actxrz speak to himself, if that’s alright
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:17 p.m.
@actxrz i'm waving your NOA paperwork
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:17 p.m.
out of urgency
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:17 p.m.
what's going on
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:17 p.m.
wait i have to pee one sec
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:17 p.m.
i need enough information on your end to make sure a hearing is necessary or whatever i need to do at this stage
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:17 p.m.
ok
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:25 p.m.
we do not object to the entry of a preservation order. provided that it is carefully circumcised to materials reasonably anticipated to be relevant to future litigation and doesnt impose undue burden on the doj. we acknowledge the litigation hold attached as exhibit A to the motion and can confirm the solicitor general's office has taken every cationary measure to ensure the preservation of our group chat, directives, and records.
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:26 p.m.
this statement does NOT constitute agreement with the factual assertions in the motion. all rights and defenses are expressly reserved
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.
we defer to the court's discretion on whether an evidentiary hearing is warranted to clarify standards for pre-suit preservation orders
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.
oh i said circumcised
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.
i meant circumscribed
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.
LMAO
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.
i was going to ask
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.
yeah
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.
We don’t object to this however would ask something
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:27 p.m.
?
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:28 p.m.
im dead
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:28 p.m.
In that case we would ask for two separate orders, one for the department of justice employees in their official capacities, with no objections to Mr. @actxrz parameters
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:28 p.m.
and one for mr. Rignify pending litigation in his individual capacity, and to reproduce or receipt the evidence he indicated he deleted when he said “too late”
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:29 p.m.
would reference exhibit B
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:35 p.m.
@actxrz
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:35 p.m.
yes sorry my mom needed her little boy to help her with smth
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:35 p.m.
a good son
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:37 p.m.
as previously stated, we do not oppose a preservation order imited to materials held in official capacities of employees of the doj (including those under my office). we reaffirm that records and communications maintained by mr. ringifys have already been preserved in accordance with the litigation hold letter
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:40 p.m.
i mean we can just sort this out with a simple affidavit
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:41 p.m.
and that'll just technically resolve this
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:41 p.m.
Still doesn’t resolve my concerns about Mr. Rignify’s your honor
actxrzactxrz
as previously stated, we do not oppose a preservation order imited to materials held in official capacities of employees of the doj (including those under my office). we reaffirm t...
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:41 p.m.
obviously if you sign to it and it turns out that none of this is true then the consequences are obvious
rummyrummy
Still doesn’t resolve my concerns about Mr. Rignify’s your honor
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:42 p.m.
well
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:43 p.m.
Your Honor I also want to point out Mr. Rignifys is not a legal layperson, he is a paralegal for the Department of Justice, I would just be confused if the court shrugged off “too late” to a litigation hold, when it’s clear towards what it indicates
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:43 p.m.
He is a legal professional
rummyrummy
and one for mr. Rignify pending litigation in his individual capacity, and to reproduce or receipt the evidence he indicated he deleted when he said “too late”
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:43 p.m.
to the extent movant seeks a second, individual-capacity order regarding mr. ringiftys, we take no formal position as of now. while this matter generally falls outside the scope of my office's institutional obligations, it may be addressed by mr. ringifys or through further proceedings at the court's discretion (including representation by my office as appropriate)
rummyrummy
Your Honor I also want to point out Mr. Rignifys is not a legal layperson, he is a paralegal for the Department of Justice, I would just be confused if the court shrugged off “...
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:44 p.m.
again, everything he has access to has been preserved
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:44 p.m.
I caution the court that the precedent being established here is important pertinent to respecting litigation holds, and what happens when indicating that you don’t plan complying with them
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:44 p.m.
i made sure of that
actxrzactxrz
again, everything he has access to has been preserved
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:44 p.m.
Thank you Mr. SG
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:44 p.m.
i'll agree the response is unprofessional entirely but if the solicitor general can attest to it then i think that's fine - if its for material which the general cannot attest to, i can order that preserved
rummyrummy
I caution the court that the precedent being established here is important pertinent to respecting litigation holds, and what happens when indicating that you don’t plan complying ...
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
i don't think whatever i do right now would change that
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
i'll agree the response is unprofessional entirely but if the solicitor general can attest to it then i think that's fine - if its for material which the general cannot attest to, ...
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
That would be ideal your honor, we await the copy of the affidavit then
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
im not just letting it go am i
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
i removed every1
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
i don't think whatever i do right now would change that
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
Your honor may I have leave to introduce something?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
i would caution posting the material here - this is all open record unless this was your intention
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
besides our ag and dep ag
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
yea its ok
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
What timezone is that? @actxrz
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
eastern
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
ok, just making sure
rummyrummy
Your honor may I have leave to introduce something?
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
^
rummyrummy
Your honor may I have leave to introduce something?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
go
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:45 p.m.
what is it?
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:46 p.m.
i opened it and realized it didnt remove ian for some reason
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:46 p.m.
was probably a glitch
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:46 p.m.
This message is at GMT+9
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:46 p.m.
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:46 p.m.
Let me do some math one moment
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:46 p.m.
i told u in dms. i wasnt home
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:47 p.m.
i removed them as soon as i got home on my pc
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:47 p.m.
im the only one that could remove them bc i am the owner of that groupchat
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:47 p.m.
I’m not impeaching your credibility
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:47 p.m.
I’m making another point
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:47 p.m.
One moment pls
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:48 p.m.
Let the record reflect the movant makes no argument to impeach the SG’s credibility ^
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:48 p.m.
If my math is right, and I encourage everyone to double check since I did this on a train
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:48 p.m.
The removals happened, 1 hour 7 minutes indicated too late
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:48 p.m.
Before Rignify’s indicated too late*
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:49 p.m.
So arguably quite a bit falls outside of what the SG can attest to here
actxrzactxrz
to the extent movant seeks a second, individual-capacity order regarding mr. ringiftys, we take no formal position as of now. while this matter generally falls outside the scope of...
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:49 p.m.
^ pls see this.
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:49 p.m.
i agree with you, this would be better addressed by mr. ringifys
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:49 p.m.
I’m talking to the court about how to proceed in the second matter , not against your arguments
actxrzactxrz
i agree with you, this would be better addressed by mr. ringifys
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:50 p.m.
Agreed
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:50 p.m.
Although would reiterate the importance of getting this order out given the circumstances
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:51 p.m.
i would require ringifys or his attorney to be present
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:51 p.m.
for material which is not covered by the scope of the doj material
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:51 p.m.
they'll need to make representations before i proceed with them
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:52 p.m.
act and you agree (except to the facts alleged) on the LH
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:52 p.m.
so i consider that resolved
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:52 p.m.
We will be getting that affidavit right?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:52 p.m.
yes
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:53 p.m.
but that order i believe it would be fair to have ringifys appear since it affects him
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:53 p.m.
@actxrz @rummy is there any reason why i should not?
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:53 p.m.
why you should not have ringifys appear?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:53 p.m.
yes
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:53 p.m.
no
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.
i see no reason why i shouldnt bother, i believe its absolutely necessary
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.
@rummy ^?
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.
it is
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
@actxrz @rummy is there any reason why i should not?
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.
I would say he’s entitled to challenge the TRO with counsel, however the balance of equities are heavily in my clients favor to having this processed ex parte

However if we want to add him right now, waive NoA, I have no objections
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.
i believe it's not even a tro
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.
it's something else
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.
Well if we’re back at the original motion to preserve, yes I agree
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:54 p.m.
i refer to jurisdictions that have addressed similar issues before
rummyrummy
Well if we’re back at the original motion to preserve, yes I agree
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:55 p.m.
probably a sufficient place to resolve the issue
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:55 p.m.
is the motion
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:55 p.m.
i was wrong about the tro, was confused at first what you asked for
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
probably a sufficient place to resolve the issue
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:55 p.m.
Would the court waive his NoA, and add him?
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
i was wrong about the tro, was confused at first what you asked for
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:56 p.m.
In all fairness to you this varies wildly by inter-state jurisdiction, and some of it established purely by caselaw, looked into it before filing ofc
rummyrummy
In all fairness to you this varies wildly by inter-state jurisdiction, and some of it established purely by caselaw, looked into it before filing ofc
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:56 p.m.
im aware, ive experienced a bit of it before
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:56 p.m.
except for the underlying duty which im aware and familiar with
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:57 p.m.
but the litigating of it is just all over the place so
rummyrummy
Would the court waive his NoA, and add him?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:57 p.m.
i guess i can do that
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:57 p.m.
in the absence of a codified process
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:57 p.m.
for this thing
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:58 p.m.
@actxrz do you object to this form of appearance for ringifys?
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:58 p.m.
no
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:58 p.m.
actually is he even an attorney
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 10:58 p.m.
ring? no he isnt
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:58 p.m.
oh
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:58 p.m.
well nevermind then
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:59 p.m.
Wait
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:59 p.m.
Hold up
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:59 p.m.
Your honor
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:59 p.m.
he'll need to be ordered to appear here
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 10:59 p.m.
May I have leave to introduce
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 10:59 p.m.
?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.
oh wai
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.
nvm
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.
i got it
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.
Wait you may have answered it yourself
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.
Yup
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clerkFlow Bot2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.
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Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:00 p.m.
i completely forgot that he's directly involved
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 11:01 p.m.
yea idek why
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:01 p.m.
maybe we should do this it saves a lot of paper
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:01 p.m.
anyway
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-26 11:01 p.m.
he's not even the top dawg secretary
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:01 p.m.
@kait we need to discuss this
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:02 p.m.
do you have an attorney
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:02 p.m.
have you read the papers yet
kait
kait 2025-06-26 11:02 p.m.
I have not read the TRO yet.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:02 p.m.
don't believe we'll need a tro
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:03 p.m.
what might be entered instead is a pre-suit preservation order
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:03 p.m.
it requires you to preserve etc. x,y,z
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:03 p.m.
Your honor may I have quick leave to introduce two temporary things while you ask @kait your questions?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:03 p.m.
you may need to produce the material if necessary
rummyrummy
Your honor may I have quick leave to introduce two temporary things while you ask @kait your questions?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:03 p.m.
okay
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:04 p.m.
MANUAL FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE STATE OF MAYFLOWER Title 1 - Organization and Personnel Title 2 - Delegations of Authority Title 3 - Standards of Conduct Title 4 - Inspector General Title 5 - Criminal Title 6 - Civil Title 7 - Appellate Title 8 - Case Management Title 9 - Med...
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:04 p.m.
That’s all from me for now till your down with Mr. ring
kaitkait
I have not read the TRO yet.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:05 p.m.
i would ask you to seek legal advice and representation
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:05 p.m.
unless you're fully aware of what the petitioner is asking for and if you agree that what they're requesting is okay
rummyrummy
Department of Justice Manual in its entirety https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OWfjgZ4-LcY8sY6zs6FCU8UEh1__5Wl333553FFE_XU/edit?usp=sharing Department of Justice Roster in its ...
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:05 p.m.
why are you giving me this?
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
why are you giving me this?
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:06 p.m.
To later establish Me. Ringifys employment and the policies he had to read during on boarding as a paralegal, establish his legal competency
kait
kait 2025-06-26 11:06 p.m.
If this is just determining whether or not I've disobeyed the litigation hold in any way, then I'm fine with appearing on my own behalf.
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:06 p.m.
Avoid a “I’m a layperson I don’t know what a litigation hold or how to respond to one” argument layer
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:06 p.m.
Later *
kaitkait
If this is just determining whether or not I've disobeyed the litigation hold in any way, then I'm fine with appearing on my own behalf.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:07 p.m.
@rummy if i understand this is why you brought this yes
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
@rummy if i understand this is why you brought this yes
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:07 p.m.
Yes
kaitkait
If this is just determining whether or not I've disobeyed the litigation hold in any way, then I'm fine with appearing on my own behalf.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:07 p.m.
in that case, fine
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:07 p.m.
Wait
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:07 p.m.
?
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:08 p.m.
I’m not a butthole and do believe in fair representation
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:08 p.m.
I will disclose to Mr. Ring, that what he says here may be used in separate pending litigation against him in the future
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:09 p.m.
all from me for now
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:09 p.m.
(also don’t want an inadmissibility argument from his future attorney’s :🤭:)
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:10 p.m.
when are you both available for a hearing
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:10 p.m.
@rummy @kait this would be for tomorrow at the earliest opportunity
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:10 p.m.
What timezone are both of you?
kait
kait 2025-06-26 11:10 p.m.
Where would this take place
kait
kait 2025-06-26 11:10 p.m.
EST
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:10 p.m.
Over discord pls
rummyrummy
What timezone are both of you?
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:12 p.m.
^ @Kezzera
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:12 p.m.
Also would request affidavit or first part of this matter gets handled today
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:13 p.m.
PT
rummyrummy
Also would request affidavit or first part of this matter gets handled today
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:13 p.m.
im on it now
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.
@rummy when was your litigation letter sent?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.
6/25?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.
start dating your letters
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.
6:00 PM PST?
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.
Should work for everyone
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
6/25?
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.
Yes PST ^
rummyrummy
6:00 PM PST?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.
OK
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
start dating your letters
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.
Understood
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.
if you dont date your letters courts will kill you
rummyrummy
6:00 PM PST?
kait
kait 2025-06-26 11:14 p.m.
:👍:
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:15 p.m.
it's also one of the first basic things you would learn out of any profession
kaitkait
:👍:
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:15 p.m.
we'll schedule for 6pm then
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
it's also one of the first basic things you would learn out of any profession
rummy
rummy 2025-06-26 11:16 p.m.
Apologies to the court for this your honor, I wrote this quite late in my time, however no excuse exists
KezzeraKezzera used
/add
clerkFlow
clerkFlow Bot2025-06-26 11:30 p.m.
Case Modified
@Kezzera has added @robert to the case channel.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:30 p.m.
waiving the paperwork
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:31 p.m.
i'm aware this is also counsel for petitioner
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-26 11:31 p.m.
@robert
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:03 a.m.
@Kezzera i cant talk there
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:04 a.m.
READ
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:04 a.m.
READ
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:04 a.m.
READ
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:04 a.m.
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:05 a.m.
oh sorry
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:06 a.m.
signed(edited)
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.
okay
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.
I sign this affidavit and enter it into the record satisfied that the content of this affidavit is all true and sworn to before me.
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.
wait
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.
ooh...
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.
so close
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.
it pertains only to my office right
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:07 a.m.
bc
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.
is it not the DOJ?
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.
is it?
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.
ima be so real
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.
let me check
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.
swear it is
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.
i didnt rlly read the letter he sent me
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:08 a.m.
that sounds very bad
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:09 a.m.
it was js yap man i js saw "preserve so and so" and did just that
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:09 a.m.
the letter is over material in basically all of the DOJ
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:09 a.m.
this includes your office
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:09 a.m.
wouldnt it be more appropriate for the ag to sign it then?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:09 a.m.
oh
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:09 a.m.
were you only speaking for your office
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:09 a.m.
yes
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.
oh im a fucking knob
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.
i've preserved our trello board and our groupchat
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.
bc thats all i can preserve
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.
you're not authorized to speak on behalf of the DOJ in this matter then?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.
ah
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.
right
KezzeraKezzera used
/add
clerkFlow
clerkFlow Bot2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.
Case Modified
@Kezzera has added @dero to the case channel.
rummy
rummy 2025-06-27 12:10 a.m.
Believe AG was already added ear-
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.
yes
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.
no, he wasnt added
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.
in that case i have to amend the affidavit
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.
ya so i can only affirm to preserving sgo stuff
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.
derogatory can speak to the sgo material himself yes?
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.
yea
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:11 a.m.
okay
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.
he will need to sign then or you need to be authorized to speak on this
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.
(i.e. you will need access to the material)
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.
or get someone who can do it on his behalf
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.
otherwise i won't proceed with this
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.
i dont have that authorization so ig we'll have to wiat till either tmr (today eastern, its 12am) or at some ungodly hour of the night
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.
he loves responding to stuff at like 4am :😭:
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.
works with me
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:12 a.m.
3 am...
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:13 a.m.
sorry i should've been more clear at the start
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:13 a.m.
@rummy it's either this or we go to a hearing which we will not have time for today
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:13 a.m.
affidavit sm easier
actxrzactxrz
sorry i should've been more clear at the start
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:14 a.m.
in light of this happening we'll probably need to put up some temporary process
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 12:14 a.m.
ya i agree
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 12:14 a.m.
ive been compiling a list of events giving rise to new processes
rummy
rummy 2025-06-27 12:31 a.m.
I understand the time zone difference given the demonstrably good faith efforts by @actxrz
rummy
rummy 2025-06-27 12:32 a.m.
As such I would only request @dero respond with a confirmation for the rest early tomorrow in the day or late morning
rummy
rummy 2025-06-27 01:43 a.m.
Let the record reflect that the Movant in this matter @sfyrixtoulis has become a retaliatory target of the Department of Justice.

In my clients ability to seek justice against an individual who aggrieved him, the Department of Justice has retaliated by threatening him with the capital punishment.

They are literally trying to kill my client, to silence him.

CC: @actxrz @Kezzera
rummy
rummy 2025-06-27 01:44 a.m.
While this will be addressed in an appropriate proceeding outside of here, I think it’s important to make the court aware of the gravity.
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 01:44 a.m.
oops
rummy
rummy 2025-06-27 01:44 a.m.
Why did you delete @actxrz
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 01:44 a.m.
i wrote that earlier by accident
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 01:44 a.m.
on my phone
rummy
rummy 2025-06-27 01:44 a.m.
Fair enough
rummyrummy
Let the record reflect that the Movant in this matter @sfyrixtoulis has become a retaliatory target of the Department of Justice. In my clients ability to seek justice ag...
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 01:45 a.m.
im trying to sort it out omfg
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 01:45 a.m.
:😭:
actxrzactxrz
im trying to sort it out omfg
rummy
rummy 2025-06-27 01:45 a.m.
It’s the guys “life” on the line you gotta understand why would we take it seriously
rummyrummy
Let the record reflect that the Movant in this matter @sfyrixtoulis has become a retaliatory target of the Department of Justice. In my clients ability to seek justice ag...
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 02:43 a.m.
I've contacted Dero on this matter via DMs(edited)
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 02:44 a.m.
he's probably asleep right so we'll see how he responds to this situation in the morning
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-27 02:44 a.m.
can't comment on this atm bc im just the sg
rummyrummy
Let the record reflect that the Movant in this matter @sfyrixtoulis has become a retaliatory target of the Department of Justice. In my clients ability to seek justice ag...
kait
kait 2025-06-27 03:35 a.m.
Interesting
dero
dero 2025-06-27 05:01 a.m.
@rummy Is your client still facing his charges
derodero
@rummy Is your client still facing his charges
rummy
rummy 2025-06-27 05:03 a.m.
My client is currently facing charges in the matter of https://discord.com/channels/1274202187911790632/1386306712528490526
dero
dero 2025-06-27 06:03 a.m.
Gotcha. ill appear and move for the court to dismiss
dero
dero 2025-06-27 06:03 a.m.
Soon
robert
robert 2025-06-27 10:43 a.m.
for the record, we’d still like to formally address Mr. Ringify's individual role separately given the specific concerns outlined in Exhibit B, particularly considering the timing and his response after the litigation hold went out.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 02:06 p.m.
Check tagged thread @dero
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
Check tagged thread @dero
dero
dero 2025-06-27 03:00 p.m.
Yes I cant talk in there
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 03:27 p.m.
Respond here then
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 03:28 p.m.
(It doesn't make a difference either way now)
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:14 p.m.
@rummy @kait are we happy to proceed today
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
@rummy @kait are we happy to proceed today
kait
kait 2025-06-27 09:15 p.m.
:👍:
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:21 p.m.
@rummy
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:43 p.m.
okay then...
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:43 p.m.
we're just rescheduling
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:57 p.m.
@kait @rummy Tomorrow, same time for hearing
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:57 p.m.
@rummy if you fail to attend i will not consider this anymore and only proceed with the affidavit (if relevant)
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 09:58 p.m.
i don't have much of an interest in sanctioning over this
rummy
rummy 2025-06-27 10:29 p.m.
Apologies I had an emergency this morning
rummy
rummy 2025-06-27 10:29 p.m.
@Kezzera
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 10:44 p.m.
its ok, we're booked for tomorrow
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
its ok, we're booked for tomorrow
kait
kait 2025-06-27 10:45 p.m.
Can't attend tomorrow.
robert
robert 2025-06-27 10:45 p.m.
What time tomorrow?
kaitkait
Can't attend tomorrow.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 10:46 p.m.
when then?
robertrobert
What time tomorrow?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 10:46 p.m.
6pm pt
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
when then?
kait
kait 2025-06-27 10:49 p.m.
Actually, I can probably attend, had to think about it for a second. I'm good for that time.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-27 10:49 p.m.
okay, 6pm pt then gentlemen
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 12:31 p.m.
@dero Are you going to sign the affidavit or no
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
@dero Are you going to sign the affidavit or no
dero
dero 2025-06-28 12:36 p.m.
I cant tlak
dero
dero 2025-06-28 12:36 p.m.
in the channel
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 12:38 p.m.
you can say it here
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 12:38 p.m.
why does no one read
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 01:00 p.m.
@Kezzera , @robert has informed me he will be attending this.
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 01:01 p.m.
As I have things in the morning that have come up, he's retained by @sfyrixtoulis
robert
robert 2025-06-28 01:28 p.m.
@Kezzera Your Honor, may we move it one (1) hour later ?
robert
robert 2025-06-28 01:38 p.m.
And is this discord or in game?
robert
robert 2025-06-28 01:39 p.m.
Apologies if this has been referred already
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-28 02:44 p.m.
why is robert here
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-28 02:44 p.m.
:😭:(edited)
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-28 02:44 p.m.
oh hes ring's counsel
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-28 02:44 p.m.
ok
actxrzactxrz
oh hes ring's counsel
kait
kait 2025-06-28 02:45 p.m.
no he isn't
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-28 02:46 p.m.
oh
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-28 02:46 p.m.
why is he here then :😭:
kait
kait 2025-06-28 02:46 p.m.
IDK
kait
kait 2025-06-28 02:46 p.m.
rummys co-counsel methinks @actxrz
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-28 02:46 p.m.
oh
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-28 02:46 p.m.
boring
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 03:09 p.m.
co-counsel
robertrobert
@Kezzera Your Honor, may we move it one (1) hour later ?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 03:10 p.m.
@kait
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
@kait
kait
kait 2025-06-28 03:17 p.m.
I can make that
actxrzactxrz
boring
robert
robert 2025-06-28 10:02 p.m.
?????????
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:03 p.m.
@robert @kait
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:03 p.m.
hey gang
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:04 p.m.
@dero Hello are you going to sign
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
@robert @kait
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:04 p.m.
hearing
robert
robert 2025-06-28 10:06 p.m.
Present, Your Honor
kait
kait 2025-06-28 10:07 p.m.
Hello
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:07 p.m.
@kait
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:07 p.m.
okay
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:08 p.m.
We'll hear arguments for the pre-suit preservation order
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:08 p.m.
Mr. @robert
robert
robert 2025-06-28 10:09 p.m.
Thank you, Your Honor.
robert
robert 2025-06-28 10:10 p.m.
As outlined in our filed motion, we’re seeking a narrowly tailored pre-suit preservation order due to the credible and immediate risk of evidence spoliation.
robert
robert 2025-06-28 10:12 p.m.
This request has two parts;

First, for the DOJ and its employees in their official capacities, where the SGO has already indicated no objection to a carefully limited preservation order, subject to the affidavit they are preparing.

Second, and more urgently, for Mr. @kait in his individual capacity, given his documented “too late” response following service of the litigation hold.

The risk of evidence loss here is concrete, and we’re not seeking discovery only preservation to prevent irreparable harm before formal litigation begins.
robert
robert 2025-06-28 10:13 p.m.
but in short, this is about maintaining the integrity of the anticipated litigation process.
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 10:17 p.m.
To clarify, we are also seeking @kait to provide a receipt of any destroyed or potentially destroyed evidence in his part
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:20 p.m.
As to the DOJ, I am waiting for them to sign it
robertrobert
?????????
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-28 10:20 p.m.
sorry i like going against rummy hes fun and plays fair
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:21 p.m.
The Attorney General has not agreed to sign anything as of yet
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:21 p.m.
and if he doesn't soon I will put it to a hearing
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:21 p.m.
So you should speak as to Ringifys for now
robert
robert 2025-06-28 10:27 p.m.
The movant's position is that an individual capacity preservation order is warranted.

The litigation hold was issued on June 25th, and shortly afterward Mr. Ringify, a DOJ paralegal, responded with the statement “too late,” raising serious concerns that relevant evidence under his personal control may have been deleted.

Given his professional background, Mr. Ringify is not a legal layperson he’s aware of the significance of litigation holds.

We’re not seeking discovery only narrowly tailored preservation relief to ensure no further loss occurs and that any deleted material is addressed and, if possible, recovered.

I’m prepared to address the legal standard for issuing such individual capacity preservation orders, if the court wishes.
robert
robert 2025-06-28 10:27 p.m.
Apologies, for the long response.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:30 p.m.
What was it again you think Ringifys may have destroyed or fail to preserve for that matter?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:30 p.m.
The particular things
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 10:33 p.m.
Ringify may have destroyed images or failed to preserve materials that may have:

- Showed him or an associate violating policies of their employer, a public entity, at the detriment of the Movant.

- Showed him or an associate having material evidence in having used his influence of office for personally motivated means against the movant.
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 10:33 p.m.
I’ll let Robert finish the rest, sorry pitching in through mobile
robert
robert 2025-06-28 10:34 p.m.
Based on the timing and the context of Mr. Ringify's “too late” response, as well as the sequence of member removals from the discord server, we’re primarily concerned about the following;

- Chat logs, messages, or any other form from the Solicitor General’s Office discord group prior to the litigation hold and during the immediate hours afterward.
- Any direct messages or communications Mr. Ringify may have sent or received regarding this matter, especially regarding deletion of content.
- Any deletion logs or records showing user removals or chat deletions during the relevant timeframe.
robert
robert 2025-06-28 10:35 p.m.
These concerns are focused on the time window between when the litigation hold was issued and when Mr. Ringify posted his “too late” message, as captured in Exhibit B.

At this stage, we are simply highlighting that there’s a factual basis to justify a narrowly tailored preservation order directed at Mr. Ringify's individual control over these materials.
robertrobert
Based on the timing and the context of Mr. Ringify's “too late” response, as well as the sequence of member removals from the discord server, we’re primarily concerned about the fo...
robert
robert 2025-06-28 10:36 p.m.
Adding onto this also, official and private channels he may have discussed the matter on or with.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:37 p.m.
Alright
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 10:37 p.m.
Mr. @kait ?
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
Mr. @kait ?
kait
kait 2025-06-28 11:02 p.m.
Thank you, Your Honor.

Firstly, In response to Mr. Sabbatini's assertions, I am not a paralegal and do not hold any formal legal certification or employment; therefore, I cannot be held to the same standard they suggest.

Secondly, the “too late” comment was made sarcastically and just two minutes after I was served with the litigation hold- far too soon for me to have read the letter fully, let alone deleted any evidence.

I understand that I need to take preservation seriously, and I have - but I am not someone with legal training or credentials. I’m doing my best in good faith, and I’ve preserved everything since the hold was issued. I understand now that "too late" in hindsight was extremely unprofessional and clearly has lead Mr. Sabbatini to believe that important information regarding future litigation may have been deleted, but I want to make it clear that I have done nothing of the sorts and if anything have been fully cooperative with what was communicated to me in the letter that I was given.
kait
kait 2025-06-28 11:08 p.m.
Also, to clarify on my position in the DoJ, I am a secretary and I have been one since I was hired. At no point in time ever was I a paralegal.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:11 p.m.
So if the material were required to be produced at any point, this would be possible?
kait
kait 2025-06-28 11:15 p.m.
Yes. I would have to regain access to materials in the Solicitor General's Office groupchat to produce them as everyone's access except the Solicitor General himself was revoked to ensure materials were preserved, but otherwise yes.
kait
kait 2025-06-28 11:15 p.m.
Upon being given access I would be able to produce them is what I'm saying. Nothing was deleted.
robert
robert 2025-06-28 11:15 p.m.
Your Honor, if I may?
rummyrummy
Department of Justice Manual in its entirety https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OWfjgZ4-LcY8sY6zs6FCU8UEh1__5Wl333553FFE_XU/edit?usp=sharing Department of Justice Roster in its ...
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 11:16 p.m.
^
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 11:17 p.m.
Impeaching “I am not a paralegal”
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
why are you giving me this?
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 11:17 p.m.
^
robert
robert 2025-06-28 11:18 p.m.
This is important only insofar as it reflects that Mr. Ringify has at least some familiarity with legal processes and the significance of litigation holds.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:20 p.m.
You swear you're not a paralegal Ringifys?
kait
kait 2025-06-28 11:20 p.m.
Since the DoJ databse has been brought up, I thought it'd be good to also include the fact that it is mistakenly incorrect with the position assigned to me. It labels me as a paralegal, an error that I have made my command aware of so it should be fixed no sooner than tomorrow afternoon.
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
You swear you're not a paralegal Ringifys?
kait
kait 2025-06-28 11:20 p.m.
Yes.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:21 p.m.
You understand that everything you are stating here are all representative as truthful facts?
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 11:21 p.m.
Your honor in that case someone is lying here, the DOJ or Mr. Rignify
robert
robert 2025-06-28 11:21 p.m.
For the record, we respectfully note Mr. Ringify's sworn denial of holding a paralegal position, despite the DOJ roster currently reflecting otherwise.
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
You understand that everything you are stating here are all representative as truthful facts?
kait
kait 2025-06-28 11:21 p.m.
Yes.
robertrobert
For the record, we respectfully note Mr. Ringify's sworn denial of holding a paralegal position, despite the DOJ roster currently reflecting otherwise.
kait
kait 2025-06-28 11:21 p.m.
Again, that is an error and I am able to get sworn statements backing my statement that I have never been a paralegal within the DoJ.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.
I'm ending this hearing and ordering show cause
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.
Your homoe
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.
Honor*
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.
Before you end
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.
I'm granting the order
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.
Could I have to leave to introduce something to the record
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.
May be relevant later on
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
I'm granting the order
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.
Thank you
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:22 p.m.
If it's unrelated to this issue then don't
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:23 p.m.
If it's related to Ringifys's credentials, that is for later
rummy
rummy 2025-06-28 11:23 p.m.
Understood
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:23 p.m.
The pre-suit preservation order is granted. Submit a proposed text of the order @rummy @robert
robert
robert 2025-06-28 11:24 p.m.
Thank you, Your Honor. We will have this to you shortly.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:25 p.m.
I am going to enter an order to show cause as to why I should not make a referral for perjury or make finding of contempt based on the following: Ringifys's true employment in the Department of Justice
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:26 p.m.
In response to this, I will require:
- a dated, PDF copy of the employment agreement between him and the person responsible for his employment in the DOJ; and
- a sworn affidavit by the employer that he is not a paralegal but a secretary as Ringifys claims
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:26 p.m.
I will not accept a sworn affidavit only as that will not be enough
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:27 p.m.
I attach great weight into this representation since he may have just knowingly made a false representation in Court about a relevant matter in dispute
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:28 p.m.
His duty as to preserving material for future litigation is noted
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-28 11:31 p.m.
I sincerely suggest you retain counsel @kait
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:05 a.m.
can some1 give tldr of what happened @Kezzera@robert@rummy
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:06 a.m.
nvm i got it
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:07 a.m.
ring is being accused of lying abt being one of the secretaries for god knows what reason
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:07 a.m.
and ig we're pretending secretaries are have some sort administrative perms on the discord platform to magically make messages go away by himself in a groupchat
actxrzactxrz
and ig we're pretending secretaries are have some sort administrative perms on the discord platform to magically make messages go away by himself in a groupchat
rummy
rummy 2025-06-29 12:11 a.m.
That’s not the assertion here
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.
Chat logs, messages, or any other form from the Solicitor General’s Office discord group prior to the litigation hold and during the immediate hours afterward

Any deletion logs or records showing user removals or chat deletions during the relevant timeframe.
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.
How 2 delete user removals
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.
pls tutorial
rummy
rummy 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.
No read again what the judge is ordering DOJ/Ring to respond to
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.
ok where is this perjury coming from
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.
:😭:
rummy
rummy 2025-06-29 12:12 a.m.
We made assertion that Ring is a paralegal
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.
he's a secretary
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.
i have 2
rummy
rummy 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.
Current exhibits represent he’s a paralegal
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.
dataxry and ringifys
rummy
rummy 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.
Including in the DOJ database
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.
ok then there was a clerical error
rummy
rummy 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.
And he’s been potentially referred as one which we will introduce to evidence later
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.
and a miscommunication with deverus
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:13 a.m.
bc i do not have access to the database
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:14 a.m.
doj rank structure was or wtv they are considered general staff. in my office they are referred to as secretaries
rummyrummy
And he’s been potentially referred as one which we will introduce to evidence later
rummy
rummy 2025-06-29 12:14 a.m.
By DOJ staff and potentially himself
rummy
rummy 2025-06-29 12:14 a.m.
However we’ll introduce that after the governments response and submissions as court instructed
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:15 a.m.
ok again, if he was referred to as a paralegal by someone outside of my office then there was a miscommunication.
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:16 a.m.
deverus joined the sgo groupchat when he became the DAG. ringifys had been hired as a secretary before deverus became the DAG
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:16 a.m.
since i didnt have access to the database, deverus entered their names onto the database by himself with me having to ask
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:16 a.m.
as that is his duty
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:16 a.m.
had he asked me or had i asked him i would have clarified that data and ring are secretaries
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:16 a.m.
our only paralegal was bluahmed
rummy
rummy 2025-06-29 12:17 a.m.
I mean DOJ uses on boarding forms last I checked
rummy
rummy 2025-06-29 12:17 a.m.
So I’m sure that will help us get to the bottom of this
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:17 a.m.
um ok
kait
kait 2025-06-29 12:17 a.m.
Interesting
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:23 a.m.
https://precisioninjurylaw.com/ | 702-425-8880
This video talks about what is a vexatious litigant and what happens if the court determines a person is a vexatious litigant.
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:23 a.m.
Oh shoot sorry i didnt mean to send that here
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:24 a.m.
i wont delete bc thats against the rules
actxrzactxrz
How 2 delete user removals
robert
robert 2025-06-29 12:29 a.m.
"Any deletion logs or records showing user removals or chat deletions during the relevant timeframe."
actxrzactxrz
rummy
rummy 2025-06-29 12:29 a.m.
Wouldn’t want you to call the judges order to show cause on his own initiative vexatious considering he granted the order barehand.
rummy
rummy 2025-06-29 12:30 a.m.
The order in question Beforehand *
robertrobert
"Any deletion logs or records showing user removals or chat deletions during the relevant timeframe."
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:31 a.m.
how would he delete groupchat logs of ppl being removed from the groupchat again
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 12:31 a.m.
im just a little confused
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 12:32 a.m.
can this be discussed elsewhere
rummyrummy
Wouldn’t want you to call the judges order to show cause on his own initiative vexatious considering he granted the order barehand.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:36 a.m.
order entered @kait
copy @actxrz
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:37 a.m.
(check the website)
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.
what
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.
the osc?
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.
yea
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.
can u make another channel for it
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.
is that ok
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.
i mean i guess but why
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.
idk js makes sense
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.
it's all contained in here and i only need something to show he's not a paralegal but a sec
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.
sure i guess
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:39 a.m.
alr ill do this tmr i really tired
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.
you got until tomorrow 11:59pm
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.
wait i got work tmr
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.
till 9 i think
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.
or 8
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.
uhhh
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.
if it was an error then i would expect it to be stated and readily backed up by the entering of some evidence, such as messages to the database manager or whoever is responsible for the employment record - i did not have that, only simple assertions. i will need something to show that this was an error - i hoped this wouldnt have happened
actxrzactxrz
uhhh
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.
if you need more time just ask
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:40 a.m.
do you need more time?
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:41 a.m.
yes your honor :🥺:
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:41 a.m.
i'll make a note to automatically extend it if i do not see any submission by 11:00PM pacific time june 30
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
order entered @kait copy @actxrz
kait
kait 2025-06-29 01:41 a.m.
:🕵🏻‍♂️:
kait
kait 2025-06-29 01:41 a.m.
Sorry wrong emoji
kait
kait 2025-06-29 01:41 a.m.
:👍:
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
i'll make a note to automatically extend it if i do not see any submission by 11:00PM pacific time june 30
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
W
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
thats 3 am
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
june 31st
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
type shit!
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
2 AM
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
NOT 3
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
there's no 31st
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
im smart i can do math
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
ok
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
it would be july 1
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
can we
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
just
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
stop
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
ok
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
pls
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
no, show cause
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
ill add you all accordingly
actxrz
actxrz 2025-06-29 01:42 a.m.
lets pretend i didnt say that
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:43 a.m.
Haha
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:44 a.m.
show-cause-ringifys-doj
kaitkait
:🕵🏻‍♂️:
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 01:44 a.m.
stop pmo
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 05:50 p.m.
@dero I will schedule a hearing if you do not sign the affidavit
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 05:50 p.m.
You have 4 hours
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
@dero I will schedule a hearing if you do not sign the affidavit
dero
dero 2025-06-29 06:44 p.m.
YOUR HONOR
dero
dero 2025-06-29 06:44 p.m.
I said I couldnt talk in the channel like 2 times before this
dero
dero 2025-06-29 06:44 p.m.
how am I meant to sign it
dero
dero 2025-06-29 06:56 p.m.
@Kezzera I sign this affidavit. This is my signature.
derodero
@Kezzera I sign this affidavit. This is my signature.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-29 07:00 p.m.
thank you
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
i'll make a note to automatically extend it if i do not see any submission by 11:00PM pacific time june 30
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-30 01:02 a.m.
@actxrz @kait 11:59pm July 1 due date
robert
robert 2025-06-30 03:24 a.m.
Upon review of the Movant’s Emergency Application for a Pre-Suit Preservation Order, the Court finds good cause to enter the following Order: Preservation Obligation: All individuals and entities served with the Movant’s litigation hold (Exhibit A to the Application), including but not limited to all current and former employees, agents, and representatives of the Mayflower Department of Justice, are hereby ordered to preserve all documents, data, and electronically stored information within their possession, custody, or control that may be relevant to the anticipated litigation described in the Movant’s Application. Scope of Materials to be Preserved: The materials subject to this preservation obligation include, but are not limited to: a. All communications, chat logs, deletion records, administrative actions, and metadata from the Department of Justice’s internal and external communication platforms, including but not limited to: The Criminal Justice Office, The Public Integrity Office, The Solicitor General’s Office, and Any other DOJ divisions or sub-offices reasonably anticipated to possess relevant material. b. Any direct messages, private communications, or administrative records created, sent, deleted, or received by Ringifys, in both his official and individual capacities, that relate to the subject matter of the litigation hold, including but not limited to: Administrative actions affecting message content; Receipt and/or recovery of any previously deleted or delayed items referenced in Ringifys communications following the issuance of the litigation hold. No Destruction, Deletion, or Alteration: All covered parties are prohibited from destroying, deleting, altering, or otherwise modifying any materials falling within the above scope until further order of this Court. Affirmative Safeguards: Covered parties must take affirmative steps to safeguard these materials from inadvertent deletion, including suspending any routine data deletion protocols, retention policies, or chat auto-purges affecting these materials. SO ORDERED.(edited)
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robert
robert 2025-06-30 03:24 a.m.
@Kezzera
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-06-30 08:43 p.m.
@rummy @robert @kait Order entered
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-04 09:46 a.m.
ORDER: The Court found that Ringifys is a secretary, and that the database entry is a clerical error on the part of the Chief of Staff or responsible officer. IT IS ORDERED that Ringifys be discharged from further proceedings for contempt and other related sanctions, and that the Department of Justice amend Ringify's job title in the Department of Justice Database Employee Roster to his correct job title by no later than July 5, 2025..Signed by Chief Judge AlbertWellesley (aw25)
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-04 09:46 a.m.
@kait @dero @actxrz
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-07 03:28 a.m.
@Underprothonotary archive
robertrobert
```Upon review of the Movant’s Emergency Application for a Pre-Suit Preservation Order, the Court finds good cause to enter the following Order: Preservation Obligation: All indi...(edited)
actxrz
actxrz 2025-07-07 02:02 p.m.
how long is this gonna be @Kezzera
actxrz
actxrz 2025-07-07 02:02 p.m.
it'd be irregular to have it be indefinite while we wait for petitioner or his attorney to file suit
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-07 04:25 p.m.
it's an order basically obligating you all to do what you have to do
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-07 04:26 p.m.
if it's going to be forever then i think we'll need to check in soon
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-07 04:27 p.m.
the realistic amount of time left would be whenever it is past the point of SOL
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-07 04:27 p.m.
since they can no longer file suit
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-07 04:28 p.m.
@robert @rummy
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-07 04:28 p.m.
please do confirm whether you intend to file and out of courtesy when you might be able to
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-07 04:29 p.m.
this order cannot last indefinitely obviously
rummy
rummy 2025-07-07 08:10 p.m.
This is in @robert hands now with the conclusion of criminal trial
rummy
rummy 2025-07-07 08:10 p.m.
Will file motion on my part soon
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
please do confirm whether you intend to file and out of courtesy when you might be able to
robert
robert 2025-07-07 10:24 p.m.
Your Honor, I tend to file either this week or next. I do have other proceedings and wouldn’t want to file and waste the courts time unless I’m fully able to devote my entire time to the court.
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-07 11:05 p.m.
okay, thanks for the heads up
Nicklaus_s
Nicklaus_s 2025-07-17 11:28 a.m.
@Kezzera do you still need this archived
shah_khaled ᴘᴄ
shah_khaled ᴘᴄ 2025-07-21 11:07 a.m.
@Kezzera
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-21 11:33 a.m.
yes
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-21 11:33 a.m.
i thought i asked for archive
Kezzera
Kezzera 2025-07-21 11:34 a.m.
@Nicklaus @krm archive @Underprothonotary
AlbertWellesley ᴘᴄAlbertWellesley ᴘᴄ
i thought i asked for archive
Nicklaus_s
Nicklaus_s 2025-07-21 11:35 a.m.
well then parties began yapping again
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